John Bogle and the Lantern on the Stern

Don’t be surprised if Vanguard founder and index fund pioneer Jack Bogle is not invited to next year’s Morningstar Advisor conference.  Bogle had very few positive things to say about the mutual fund industry – the industry from which Morningstar derives the bulk of its revenues.

Bogle delivered his remarks at this year’s Morningstar conference, which was held in Chicago last week.

Thirteen years ago he received a heart transplant and, despite spending a dozen or so days in the hospital last year, he said he “is still filled with a great taste for the battle.” 

Bogle took on the mutual fund industry for its failures in active management, excessive turnover, target date funds, 130/30 funds and other areas, but before doing so offered an admission of his own failure to foresee much of the current crisis. Bogle admitted he did not realize that lending standards had deteriorated to “devastating proportions” or that financial derivatives had created so much instability in the financial system.  “I was not surprised by the speculation,” he said, “just that it went so far.  This is a catastrophic decline that will take a long time to get out of.”

As for the mutual fund industry, Bogle said he understood a long time ago that it had gone from an investing to a speculative focus.

Responding to renewed claims that “buy and hold is dead,” Bogle repeated an argument he has made many times before: Divide the S&P index into two sections, and let the “buy and hold” proponents own 50% of every stock, which they won’t trade.  The other 50% is held by traders and investors, who trade amongst themselves and pay the “croupiers” for that trading.  “At the end of the day, week, month, or any period you choose, the ‘buy and hold’ proponents will capture 100% of the return, while the other group captures at best 50% of the return.”

“If buy and hold is dead, we are all dead in terms of our financial futures,” Bogle said.

Bogle cited statistics that last year the turnover in the stock market was 330%, versus about 25-30% when he started his career.  “We have plenty of liquidity, and we don’t need all that trading,” he said.  “The mutual fund industry cannot survive in this mode.” 

The money is flowing to the firms, like Vanguard, with lower costs, according to Bogle.  But he noted that Fidelity is still a big fund company, despite having “lower but not low costs.”

Bogle also refuted claims that the “policy portfolio” – a static asset allocation such as the classic 60/40 mix – is dead.   Bogle said the policy portfolio reigns in the aggregate.  “If an individual changes in one direction, someone else changes in a different direction,” he said.  In the aggregate, the market will always a static allocation between stocks and bonds.