Anatomy of a Recession Update: Changes in Our Dashboard

The latest January release of the ClearBridge Recession Risk Dashboard shows another indicator move from red to yellow. Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments shares his insights on what this could mean for the recession outlook in the United States and the overall state of the economy.

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Host: Welcome to Talking Markets with Franklin Templeton. We’re here in the studio this afternoon with ClearBridge Investments’ Head of Economic and Market Strategy, Jeff Schulze. ClearBridge is a specialist investment manager of Franklin Templeton, and Jeff is the architect of the Anatomy of a Recession Program, a program designed to provide you with a thoughtful perspective on the state of the US economy. Jeff, it’s great to have you in the studio. Let’s get right to it.

I’d like to talk about the ClearBridge Recession Risk Dashboard. Have there been any changes with the January release?

Jeff Schulze: Well, yes. There has been one upgrade that we saw last month with Manufacturing PMI going from red to yellow. And, as a reminder to everybody, we look at the “New Orders” subcomponent of that survey, because it tends to have leading properties. And it jumped from 47 up to a very healthy 52.5, which is in expansion territory. So, this is a really good development for the prospects of the manufacturing sector. And, at the moment, out of the 12 indicators that we have on the Dashboard, six are red, six are yellow, and we have zero green signals. But we’re getting very close to an overall yellow signal.

Also, the other thing I’ll mention is that we do look at other “soft surveys” in the Dashboard. Soft surveys are more like sentiment surveys. And the Conference Board’s Consumer Confidence Index is something that we look at. And we’re looking specifically at “Job Sentiment,” which looks at the number of people that are saying that jobs are plentiful minus those that say that jobs are hard to get. And it jumped by a really healthy 8.4 points to an overall level of 35.7. So that’s one indicator as we look out on the horizon that’s on the border of potentially going to yellow and may tip the overall dashboard into yellow cautionary territory. But, nonetheless, this is a very good development, and it increases the prospects of a potential soft landing.

Host: Jeff, you just mentioned jobs. The January jobs report was recently released. It came out with more than double the consensus expectations at north of 353,000 jobs created. What are the key takeaways in that report from your point of view?